I wish you good luck with these. I have seen customer reviews for various gloves and the most notable thing about the reviews was that some people found a particular glove worked well for them but others found the same glove minimally helpful. It seems, for whatever reason, some people's hands remain warmer than others. For me nothing short of heated gear keeps my hands comfortable. Once you find gloves that work for you, you enter the "research phase" of finding which body part is the next most sensitive to the cold. After a jacket, chaps and heated gloves, my next most sensitive part was my face. After trying a couple of face shields, if it is cold enough to need a face shield I take the car. For me several years ago, that was about 35 degrees, now it is closer to 50. I hope you find gear that meets your needs.