HDGal, I'm probably a little late on this thread but....I actually bought the 13" apes with complete kit, chrome housings, switches, cables, electricals all ready to go from "Hill Country Custom Cycles". I thought they were great; very careful packaging (didn't just throw it a box), ran all wires as advertised, good customer service too (spoke to a Robert). I do want to mention, though a lot of the work is already done, some know-how is definitely required to complete the "installation"...And yes, the others are right, a little more "ape" would've been better. I should have gone for 16"s:bigsmiley8: