Thank you for the response Dakota-Mark!!..No one remarks on their handling after changing the bars too much,..I have a freind who got rid of his "APES" because he couldn't pull out of his "Condor" bike chock without always bending his bars when he tried to pull back to releash the front wheel cradle,...wrong leverage in the wrong places!!,...makes sense because I did change out my bars to a bit higher rise(1 1/2") and noticed the same thing, but it is tolerable,..But I never wanted to ride his bike when he had the "APES" because it just didn't seem condusive to counter-steering in the curves,...let alone to slow going,...any other real world instances out there?