Just so happen I talked to mean city today and the seat on my 14 ultra limited is limited to what they can do to help me. I need more leg room and would like to set lower. The 16" apes would be a little high for me to set low but they can't get me lower and back. She said if I set lower it would actually move me forward. I'm 6'5 so moving me forward is not an option. For the money, they have the best program for making your seat better. Better is putting memory foam in it.