dude im not trying to argue with you but your post ask what i used and i told you i avg 10k a year on my bike i live in n-ca at coast so i ride at sea level the mountains or the high dessert i ride rain ,cold all weather and i ride very hard . i have had my eng ,tranny ,primary down several times always improving and trying new hi performance parts and tricks and i have had no problems or eccessive wear using this product as for me doing my research i have every hipo harley manual there is i get all the bike mags just for the tech info. i know many owners of bike shops that if i have a problem are always there to help me out plus between myself and my old lady have owned 6 harleys in 20 years thats hands on not going and letting some one else work on our scoots and dude i research every thing before i spend the money or install it on my or my ol ladies bike hell i joined your site in hopes of learning new stuff from your tech section thats why i joined ,not for the other stuff just a new avenue to pick up the knowledge to be the best i can be at working on my own machines now as for what i use in my machine its nothing but a personal preference just like what you run it doesnt matter how good a product is or how bad it also is some one is going to like it or hate it ,all that matters is it works for the person using it also i would have listened to your opinion on why you use the product you use, but you chose not to prove what makes your choice technically any more then just your opinion , oh well i will just keep my opinionons to my self