Engine light, trouble codes, like-em or hate-em, I still like to know what the ECM is sensing. I hate some of the new technology too, but once I started to learn how to work with it, I find that it's really got its benefits over the old school. When my engine light comes on, I don't get scared and take it to a dealer, I get the books out (also I come to this sight) and look into what its trying to say or tell me... I'll take all the information I can get when taking care of my 'black child' ( my scooter is black, no offense intended to any race). I agree, for some, this, :newsmile040:, would really be the best 'check engine' light icon....